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o be an 'actress', so to speak, or you know, to fit in.But beyond that, even if someone has said that you or had said that to you gotta be brave enough to go out there and say that no,

I want to look how I want to look and this is me
and this is who I am.
Often times if you are clutter breaking
and if you get out there and make that impact being unique,
you're gonna last a lot longer and you're gonna find your own position
and that position is not gonna be easily replaced or
be filled by somebody else so easily.
If you're gonna try and fit into a cookie cutter mold then I can put any
cookie in that cutter, I can put anyone in that mold, you know.
If you're gonna try and be unique and true to yourself
you're gonna be much harder to replace.
You have to be able to to have that confidence that, 'me as I am', adds value and adds something.
But you know the Katrina I see today is so much more confident
and so much more liberated, I would say, than the Katrina
I remember seeing in interviews 10 or 15 years ago.
Did you ever feel that pressure to conform and
what kind of things did people say to you specifically that
still kind of stay with you?
You know, more than feeling a pressure to conform or more than me
trying to conform and you know the
earlier kind of formative years that you're talking about,
it genuinely wasn't that way for me.
It was more about me finding out who I was.
So when you say that you see a more liberated person today,
I wouldn't call it liberated, as much as, I think I know myself more.
I have more opinions, I have more takes on things,
I have more life experience, I've been through more stuff.
In my earlier years, I mean touch wood,
- I was having a blast! - You were?!
I was just having a blast! I was going on film sets,
I was having the most fun you could imagine on my film sets,
whether it was 'New York', whether it's 'Ajab Prem Ki Ghazab Kahani',
whether it was, you know, 'Partner'...
Sorry, I have to talk about one that I love – you're not gonna like it
but I'm gonna mention it anyway.
'Humko Deewana Kar Gaye'.
I love that, that was a really important film for me!
What people may see or have taken as
you know being safe, was not being safe.
It was honestly just being a little... a little young
and not having too many deep concerns or deep opinions about issues,
which maybe today would concern me more.
I would bounce onto set every day, laugh, jump and create a lot of noise
that you know all my friends and choreographers and co-stars used to call me 'Hyper City'.
They were just like, 'you're just so hyper – just stay still!'
And that's beautiful because it's a time of innocence,
it's a time where you're not thinking too much,
you're not calculating too much and we still have that today,
I don't mean that's not there today, but I'll tell you what has set in a bit,
I feel that everyone's a bit more grown-up and professional now.
And it's a bit like separated, like you come to work and you go home.
The world has changed,
social media has changed the way we live and operate.
Has it changed for the better for the worse?
I think social media has some wonderful benefits,
it's given me a platform to my audience
and to connect to people when I felt I really needed it.
I came on late in the day...
Yeah, you were reluctant!
Yeah, I came on five years! I was the last person five years after
all of my other colleagues and peers in the industry
but when I did, I came on because
I realised that I was not being represented,
or a very small side of me was being represented,
and that small side was too small.
It was like 'that' and I was no, no, no. I need to have representation of myself
to my audience and to the people who come
and see our films and who know about me
and that has been a invaluable contribution
that social media has given to me.
But the flip side of it is... well we all know,
it's now if the moment is not recorded
the moment doesn't exist for anyone!
It's like you're having fun somewhere,
take a picture and that's me included it's all of us now,
I'm sorry it's all of us, has become a way of being.
If it's not recorded it didn't happen.
This pressure... it's not a pressure...
but this kind of habit, I would call it a habit,
that we all have now as we must show what we're doing
it must be seen, it must be seen, it must be seen,
it's great, I love it, we all do it
but the flip side of that is there is a lot of...
...there is a lot of us not truly being in that moment.
We're in that moment for a second and then we capture the moment,
we show the moment and we've moved on from the moment.
But isn't there also the issue with social media that it isn't a moment of perfection?
You know we try and put up those images that we know are perfect,
you know, where your hair is perfect, your makeup is perfect....
Absolutely, that's exactly what it is
and I put this on my story,
I wish I could find out what it was, where I said that
do not compare yourself to anyone's life
that you see on social media because
you're seeing this showreel of highlights.
Where you call it a highlight or carefully cultivated, you know, um...
showreel of how their life looks. You're not seeing the behind the scenes,
you're not seeing the other moments, am I also guilty of that in a sense? Yes.
I'm gonna try and put the best picture up there on my Instagram
because it's a visual medium and
that's what we're creating.
Is that a catch-22 kind of position to be in?
Kind of. I don't know what the solution to that is
because that is what we're doing you're putting your scene,
if you want to scroll on my on my Insta page you're gonna see the highlights of my life.
You're not seeing the in-between moments,
you're not seeing the moments of doubt,
you're not seeing the moments of insecurity,
you're not seeing the moments of unhappiness
you're not seeing the moments of having a VERY bad day,
not feeling confident about the way you look.
And this Katrina Kaif have moments like that?
Of course, of course.
But you don't see it right? That's what I mean, I don't see it.
And I'm asking from the perspective that I know that there are a lot of
young people who look at Katrina Kaif's account
and they think, wow she looks amazing like, she looks great here,
she looks great here but like you said
they don't see those in-between moments,
so just break it down for people like,
what does it take to look like Katrina Kaif?
And you know why I keep saying Katrina Kaif?
It's because a person sitting in front of me is Katrina the individual
but that image we see on social media
the brand of Katrina Kaif, right?

It's a cultivated image. It's one which is built up by many things you've done
and many images, and many visuals, and many songs, and many movies over the years.
It is something that becomes that, I agree with you – it's a persona.
That's not necessarily exactly how you are.
It's tough, yeah.
I mean, I do really try and give candid content but not enough, as I would...
Um... you have great light, you have, you know your light.
It doesn't mean that I need a light or a light setup, I can do the picture outdoors,
in fact I'm quite good with taking pictures outdoors.
You're quite the photographer I believe, right?
I mean it's, it's, it's of interest to me.
I like the visual medium, you know creating beauty and creating aesthetic
things that I find beautiful.
There could be a cup, it could be a leaf, it could be anything, it could be
my friend sends me something they want me to post about
a product of theirs on Instagram – I'll still try and make that picture
look something pleasing to me.
So that's what I'm doing but in the same time as
doing that you are also, I guess, in a sense
giving people a certain visual that some people feel that they
need to compare themselves to – which we shouldn't, we shouldn't.
And that goes for me as well. I look at other people's pictures and say,
'Oh wow, how are they looking like that?'
or 'How are they doing that?'
but we need to learn to be okay with what we want to do.
You know, not get too influenced or too bothered about what everyone else is doing.
I think that's the way I would put it.
Do what you want to do on your social media.
I'm nobody to tell you what I think we should or shouldn't do.
Operate and run and put whatever images you feel happy about,
that you like putting up on your account,
and don't get too bothered about what's going on at other people's accounts.
So you, typically when you get ready for an event,
or for an interview, like for example,
before you came here, like how many people
are there in your entourage? And how many people
help you look the way you do?
So I have a hair and makeup team which I like to work with a lot
but sometimes they're not available, so you have options
but I mean I have a great person who I've worked with for a long time now,
a makeup artist Daniel Bauer
and he's a fantastic support to me
and he's a fantastic, you know, person to have around.
It's the people you have around are very important, it's not just about
drawing on your face and putting your hands up, they're talking to me
while we're getting ready, we're passing the time,
there are moments where, listen if I put a mirror in front of you for two hours,
you're gonna find something wrong with yourself, okay.
You're going to! Now every day if you're gonna sit
in front of that mirror for two hours, you're gonna continuously find
these things that are wrong with yourself
and continuously and that can be a very,
it cannot be the best process.
What's very important is for that process to be positive...
- Right. - ...and not get too heavy,
like now me and Daniel after years,
have come up with this thing where,
if I angle my chair away from the mirror,
so I faced you more, rather than bang on in front of the mirror,
- which is traditionally how we sit... - Yeah.
...I don't see myself in the mirror,
I don't need to see myself, he needs to see me.
- Yes. - Sometimes they have to see a reflection
to balance out makeup but if I do that then it's less
- distracting for me. - Right.
It's less, you know, in your face, which is good
because we don't need to stare at ourselves consistently, you know, for hours.
But what happens when you're friends with your team as well like,
I know you're friends with Daniel and so does it become harder?
No, no, no, it's, I mean, touch wood, it's –
we have the perfect balance where they respect
the fact that they need to do their job and do it well,
the don't take it for granted like, 'Oh let's faff today'.
I mean I think I'm really, really lucky
with the kind of people I have around me.
The only thing is that because they're so good of course lots of other people want them!
So you have to sometimes fight for dates
but I love the energy of my team.
Like it's very important that they have a light energy, they have a happy energy,
and we understand also that,
let's not get caught up, it's just makeup we're not
sending people to the moon to rescue kittens
you know like it's just makeup. So let's, you know,
if today I'm like, 'Listen, I'm not in the mood for a pink lipstick
and let's just do a nude',
let's not get caught up in ego,
you know like, that's important to me.
Let's not be like, 'This is my makeup and I have to do my way.'
So you said that they know what you like and dislike.
What does Katrina Kaif like and dislike when it comes to hair and makeup?
What are the kind of standard...
okay, for example, if somebody's sitting at home
and says I just want a really simple
Katrina Kaif look, what is a Katrina Kaif normal hair and makeup look like?
I think it's just about gently enhancing your features without
doing too many too many loud
focus points on your face. Like, I think I genuinely if you have
to give a ratio it's much more about like a nude look
and a nude lip, just kind of you know,
contour blush, how we all put a little bit of, kind of,
highlighting the structure of your face,
bringing out your features and kind of just opening up your eyes.
I think that's the easiest way I put it.
So every day when I sit down and if we have to ask, Danny asks me,
like, 'What's the look for today?' I'm like, 'Just easy makeup and big eyes!'
So easy makeup and big eyes and everybody can look like a Katrina Kaif?
Well I don't think that everyone should want to look like...
I don't think, I mean, I know that's not the case!
I think that, you know as I said, people are really now much more
about looking the best version of themself.
I don't think people are looking at me saying, 'I want to look like her,'
or like Deepika [Padukone] or Anushka [Sharma],
I think people are saying, 'Oh that's nice, I like their hair style, I like their style.' They might get style tips
because we work with the best makeup artists in the industry, we work with the best fashion stylists in the industry, so it's a good place to pick up tips,
even for me, for anyone. Our Insta pages are great
pages for you to pick up kind of what's going on in fashion, hair and makeup
in the Hindi film industry.
In terms of what they want to look like,
I think everyone should look like the best version of themself.
Kay Beauty is Katrina Kaif's makeup brand.
This is something you launched just a little while ago
and this is India's first kind of homegrown makeup brand
owned by a leading actress.
Where did this idea come from and what does it really mean to you?
So my manager Vivek came and sat with me and he's like,
'What do we want to do right now? These are our options:
These are the brands which have approached us and what do we want to do?'
So I was listening to him and I was like,
he also just wanted to have a conversation with you about, you know, what do we feel
about using your knowledge and what it is that you feel
and what it is that you, you know, feel about beauty and makeup
and putting that in a brand?
Because a lot of people know or don't know, I'm not sure. but that I've done
a lot of my makeup over my years.
Like, Daniel's a new entrant into my life.
Before that I did most of my own makeup...
Can you name any movies where you did your own makeup? Or any songs?
Yeah, let me say songs because they're a bit more familia
Chikni Chameli. You did your own makeup?
I've done all of my own makeup for that.
No way!
Yeah even Jab Tak Hai Jaan – it's all my own makeup.
 Ek Tha Tiger – it's all my own makeup.
All these films, I've done my own makeup.
I don't think people know this.
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I had a makeup artist, his name was Subhash Dada and he kind of started
the first kind of Humko Deewana Kar Gaye - that film with me.
And what happened is
I realized that I had a knack for it and
picked it up pretty quickly
and what happened is I started out with saying
that okay, you know let me do that,
let me do the liner! Then I started out with,
okay, let me do the blush, let me do the base,
let me do the lips!
and before you know it, like I did everything so,
it was just the thing that I was so much faster
because I just saw and I picked it up.
Whatever tips that I would need to,
I would observe different makeup artists
and I'd say okay, I like the way they do that, I like the way they do that,

and then I would just be like, da, da, da, da, da, I'm done!
And I guess you knew what you wanted more than maybe what somebody else could do.
Yes, and you know, I want to make this, okay, this look there.
So it's... I know it's a slightly unusual thing
but it's just been the way it is!
I've never heard of it before!
I know, so I think that is why, when people say that,
'Oh, you're very passionate about Kay Beauty
and you you seem to have a certain knowledge and involvement
when you talk about it', it's because I know makeup and
about it it's because I know makeup and it's because it's been now, what,
15 years that I've been doing my own makeup –
I know makeup!
Do you think Bollywood has changed when it comes to making people
feel like they can be beautiful in their own skin?
I think the world has changed when it comes to that.
I think the world has changed where it comes to that and
it's no longer about an ideal of beauty
it's about being an ideal of yourself.
It's about being the best that you can be
and I think I realised that,
or I got a taste that, my own when I experienced that first hand
you know when people start expecting
certain things of you and a certain look
from you all the time and then you
realise that, you know what?
We are who we are and we need to celebrate
our good days and our bad days
and our in-between days and we need to
be comfortable with who we are
and how we look and I really am not just saying that
because it's 'the thing to say',
I'm saying that because I believe it to be true.
That's the best way for us all to be and it's the way for us to be happy.
I really wanted women, and girls in my film when we did the
film for Kay Beauty, who to me, when I look
at them seemed really comfortable in their own skin.
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If you don't feel like a princess, it's because you are a queen,
recognise your beauty or forever beauty you'll pursue,
either way, it's Kay to be you.
But do you think people struggle to look past your beauty?
I mean, the films, certainly in the earlier part of your career,
whether it is Humko Deewana Kar Gaye
or Namastey London, you always looked beautiful,
no matter what the character was and I think only more recently with like 'Zero',
where we see a real broken Katrina on screen,
have I realized that people have managed to look past
the beauty of Katrina Kaif.
You know, I don't dissect it like that.
I don't go into that detail because
there's no end to going into the into dissection of why
you looked this way in a film
and why you projected this way in a film.
I just try... A) I don't believe that...
I believe the past teaches us things, yes
but beyond that I also feel that the past is the past
and whether it's to pat myself on the back, whether it's to gloat at what I've done
or whether it's to try and make myself feel good about something,
it's all quite irrelevant.
I'm not the same person I was four years ago.
Experiences make us different. They are...
...we change, we evolve in life and we get
to know ourselves more and we get to understand ourselves more
and we get to better ourselves more hopefully in some situations,
whether it's your reactions to situations, whether it's your reactions to life,
whether it's the way you live life, so for me it's about trying to

grow and evolve and that's really what
the last three years to me, have been about
where I realised and I kind of learnt that how we
better our bodies in the gym and how we may, you know,
better our ourselves with our diet,
we also have to work on our mind and ourselves in the same way.
Three years ago I sat with you in the Yash Raj Films' canteen
and we did a really cool interview looking at the songs in your career.
What I was blown away by was, you had no makeup on,
you were just dressed really casually.
I think I was training for something, yeah.
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You weren't bothered by not looking the part of a Bollywood star
during that interview. Have you struggled to
keep up with the demands of looking that certain way,
certainly when it comes to styling as well because I know you
have a stylist, you have a team of stylists who
make sure you always dressed perfectly now as well.
So there is more importance to this concept of stylist to dress you
for events, when you go out or something, which happened in the last, say five years.
Before that, that wasn't there, we just used to pick up something
and kind of wear it or you know, call up a designer and say,
'Can you just send me something?' and just pick it up and go out.
The importance of that was a lot less, like now everyone has a stylist.
You know, they dress up before an event if there's a picture taken and it's okay.
You know there's some things that I just accept as part of the way
that things are moving in the industry.
Wasn't that the tomboy in you at one point, I remember...
There very much still is!
The minute I'm done with whatever I'm doing in the day, I most likely go home
and put on denim shorts and an oversized T-shirt.
Yeah.
But you know I may not come here in denim and an oversized T-shirt
because it would get repetitive and it might be a bit like
you know, that's my off time.
In my off time I think I'm a mix between a very easy feminine,
easy – like I wear a lot of easy cotton Reformation dresses,
which are just like, you know, the sustainable fabrics and...
Right.
...not at all expensive and that's kind of like my
staple wardrobe and then your,
you know, denim shorts and your t-shirts like, it's easy.
Katrina it's been really fascinating getting these insights
so thank you so much and finally I just want to ask,
what's the one thing you could tell yourself 15 years ago,
before you started this journey in this industry?
What's the one thing that maybe you didn't anticipate
or that you wish you'd known just earlier on.
There's nothing I would tell myself because everything I went through
and everything that happened, however good, however wonderful, however bad,
however traumatic or dramatic it was at the time,
it's all added something to me, you know. So all I would say is that
at that point it may be a rough transition or you may go through
periods of rough transition but normally what
you take out of that, if you're looking for the positivity out of it,
for the positivity out of it will be something which will help you live
a happier life in the long run.
Well I think you're doing a great job Katrina, so thank you so much for your time
and I wish you all the very best of luck.
Thank you, thank you, lovely chatting.
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